Does anyone here know of a Twister ever having been certified in accordance with the Rectreational Craft Directive?
As far as I can see, this would be now required if a Twister was imported to the UK by a new owner.
I hope I am wrong about this but, if I am, I'd like to know why.
I guess the best advice might come from the Cruising Association and the RYA (in that order!). I think we have our paperwork in order for bringing Crionna back to UK without problem but that's as her ongoing owners. As for the RCD certification that could be a prohibitively expensive activity!
Good Luck
John
This is confusing isn’t it, I would have thought that because the boat was built in the uk many years ago all you need to do is sail it into somewhere and tie it up. I have the opposite problem trying to import a twister into France now we are out of the EU. As small boats don’t have to be registered in the UK I don’t have the required paperwork for the French administration where they all have to be registered. My sailing club secretary has been working on it for a month now and still no answer. But a glimmer of hope after talking to a French fonctionnaire (civil servant) he advised me to register it in Poland which is easy, then it’s in the EU so they have to except it. The Poles don’t care about the certificate of conformity, all they want is 300 Euros. In France if you have the certificate of conformity it’s free. Same as a car.
WFR
Hello William, do I understand well you can’t sail to France with deregistered boat?
William Rogers said
This is confusing isn’t it, I would have thought that because the boat was built in the uk many years ago all you need to do is sail it into somewhere and tie it up. I have the opposite problem trying to import a twister into France now we are out of the EU. As small boats don’t have to be registered in the UK I don’t have the required paperwork for the French administration where they all have to be registered. My sailing club secretary has been working on it for a month now and still no answer. But a glimmer of hope after talking to a French fonctionnaire (civil servant) he advised me to register it in Poland which is easy, then it’s in the EU so they have to except it. The Poles don’t care about the certificate of conformity, all they want is 300 Euros. In France if you have the certificate of conformity it’s free. Same as a car.WFR
My understanding is that, if the Twister was sold in the UK or in the EU prior to 15th June 1988 (when the RCD came into being) the Twister is exempt from complying as the legislation was not retrospective. This will surely apply to all Tyler built Twisters and most wooden ones.
Regarding Registration…I’d suggest that William considers registering the Twister under the Small Ships Register in the UK. That’s less than 300 €
My Twister is Part 1 Registered. Nobody has asked to see my certificate and the only people who have taken some interest are the Marina in France where I keep her. I have just needed to quote the Registration number and Port of Registry. I’ve also had to give that detail at other Marinas.
Peter
Peter Mulville said
My understanding is that, if the Twister was sold in the UK or in the EU prior to 15th June 1988 (when the RCD came into being) the Twister is exempt from complying as the legislation was not retrospective. This will surely apply to all Tyler built Twisters and most wooden
And what about Twisters sold after 15th June 1988? My hull was finished 1989, the whole boat 1991?
The reason I would like some sort of EU registration is that the regulations state that if a boat isn’t registered in the EU then it must leave their waters and sign in at another none EU country for at least 24hr every 18 months. Very inconvenient for me. Whether anyone would Inforce that rule for a small boat who knows. I have found in France that if I stick to the rules I am very contented. And sleep soundly.
WFR
William Rogers said
The reason I would like some sort of EU registration is that the regulations state that if a boat isn’t registered in the EU then it must leave their waters and sign in at another none EU country for at least 24hr every 18 months. Very inconvenient for me. Whether anyone would Inforce that rule for a small boat who knows. I have found in France that if I stick to the rules I am very contented. And sleep soundly.WFR
Understood. And if boat is de-registered can she sail to France and elsewhere in EU and stay there for 180 days? I.e. sailing overseas without any registration.
Otherwise I am from Czech Republic and Polish registrations are very popular here as they are administratively very easy. I also know Spanish boat owners with Polish registrations.
SSR would be the best, but I am overseas. I would have to open UK company, put the Twister into this company to make it eligible for SSR registration. So deregistered boat is the best option for the moment. On the other hand, reading this conversation makes me unsure, whether it’s possible to sail overseas with deregistered boat.
I'm a UK Citizen living in Switzerland (not EU) I'm part 1 registered as I think Peter must be. Part 3 is not available unless you live in the UK. My boat has EU Vat status as she was in Spain an B day. No one has ever asked for proof but I have a notarised letter from the Harbour Master in Valencia as my proof.
The 180 days is not concerned with where the boat is registered, it's a tax issue. Deregistering a boat would have no effect. If your boat is EU goods it can be registered anywhere in the world and stay in the EU as long as you like. If it is not EU tax paid or exempt then registering it in Poland will have no effect. You need to prove VAT status to show it is legally imported into the EU.
If anyone asks.
I do need to show my registration document at every marina I enter here in Spain along with insurance.
In case anyone hasn't seen a Tonnage Certificate before, this is Tammie Norie's
19670704-board_of_trade-tonnage_certificate-tammie_norie.pdf
It's nothing to do with her weight but is basically just an assessment of how much cargo could be crammed into her, minus the space occupied by the engine.
When I was thinking of re-registering her on the Irish Register, the surveyor I approached to survey her told me it was a very simple process involving taking a few internal measurements.
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