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RCD and Twisters plus Importing to the EU and UK
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John Tetlow
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2nd February 2024 - 11:55 am
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Does anyone here know of a Twister ever having been certified in accordance with the Rectreational Craft Directive?

As far as I can see, this would be now required if a Twister was imported to the UK by a new owner.

I hope I am wrong about this but, if I am, I'd like to know why.

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John MacMullen and Ann Musgrave
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3rd February 2024 - 11:00 am
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I guess the best advice might come from the Cruising Association and the RYA (in that order!). I think we have our paperwork in order for bringing Crionna back to UK without problem but that's as her ongoing owners. As for the RCD certification that could be a prohibitively expensive activity!

Good Luck

John

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William Rogers
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11th February 2024 - 9:10 pm
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This is confusing isn’t it, I would have thought that because the boat was built in the uk many years ago all you need to do is sail it into somewhere and tie it up. I have the opposite problem trying to import a twister into France now we are out of the EU. As small boats don’t have to be registered in the UK I don’t have the required paperwork for the French administration where they all have to be registered. My sailing club secretary has been working on it for a month now and still no answer. But a glimmer of hope after talking to a French fonctionnaire (civil servant) he advised me to register it in Poland which is easy, then it’s in the EU so they have to except it. The Poles don’t care about the certificate of conformity, all they want is 300 Euros. In France if you have the certificate of conformity it’s free. Same as a car.

WFR

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Martin Cikanek
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12th February 2024 - 9:38 am
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Hello William, do I understand well you can’t sail to France with deregistered boat? 

William Rogers said
This is confusing isn’t it, I would have thought that because the boat was built in the uk many years ago all you need to do is sail it into somewhere and tie it up. I have the opposite problem trying to import a twister into France now we are out of the EU. As small boats don’t have to be registered in the UK I don’t have the required paperwork for the French administration where they all have to be registered. My sailing club secretary has been working on it for a month now and still no answer. But a glimmer of hope after talking to a French fonctionnaire (civil servant) he advised me to register it in Poland which is easy, then it’s in the EU so they have to except it. The Poles don’t care about the certificate of conformity, all they want is 300 Euros. In France if you have the certificate of conformity it’s free. Same as a car.

WFR

  

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Peter Mulville
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12th February 2024 - 10:05 am
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My understanding is that, if the Twister was sold in the UK or in the EU prior to 15th June 1988 (when the RCD came into being) the Twister is exempt from complying as the legislation was not retrospective. This will surely apply to all Tyler built Twisters and most wooden ones. 

Regarding Registration…I’d suggest that William considers registering the Twister under the Small Ships Register in the UK. That’s less than 300 €

My Twister is Part 1 Registered. Nobody has asked to see my certificate and the only people who have taken some interest are the Marina in France where I keep her.  I have just needed to quote the Registration number and Port of Registry. I’ve also had to give that detail at other Marinas. 

Peter

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Martin Cikanek
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12th February 2024 - 4:52 pm
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Peter Mulville said
My understanding is that, if the Twister was sold in the UK or in the EU prior to 15th June 1988 (when the RCD came into being) the Twister is exempt from complying as the legislation was not retrospective. This will surely apply to all Tyler built Twisters and most wooden 

  

And what about Twisters sold after 15th June 1988? My hull was finished 1989, the whole boat 1991?

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William Rogers
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12th February 2024 - 9:24 pm
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The reason I would like some sort of EU registration is that the regulations state that if a boat isn’t registered in the EU then it must leave their waters and sign in at another none EU country for at least 24hr every 18 months. Very inconvenient for me. Whether anyone would Inforce that rule for a small boat who knows. I have found in France that if I stick to the rules I am very contented. And sleep soundly. 
WFR

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Martin Cikanek
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14th February 2024 - 12:24 pm
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William Rogers said
The reason I would like some sort of EU registration is that the regulations state that if a boat isn’t registered in the EU then it must leave their waters and sign in at another none EU country for at least 24hr every 18 months. Very inconvenient for me. Whether anyone would Inforce that rule for a small boat who knows. I have found in France that if I stick to the rules I am very contented. And sleep soundly. 

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Understood. And if boat is de-registered can she sail to France and elsewhere in EU and stay there for 180 days? I.e. sailing overseas without any registration.

Otherwise I am from Czech Republic and Polish registrations are very popular here as they are administratively very easy. I also know Spanish boat owners with Polish registrations. 

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John MacMullen and Ann Musgrave
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14th February 2024 - 12:56 pm
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Registering on the SSR is £35 for 5 years. We have today renewed our registration for another 5. I have to warn that the new ‘online’ system is a bit of a minefield (obviously still under development) but the helpline is excellent. 

john

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Martin Cikanek
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14th February 2024 - 5:54 pm
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SSR would be the best, but I am overseas. I would have to open UK company, put the Twister into this company to make it eligible for SSR registration. So deregistered boat is the best option for the moment. On the other hand, reading this conversation makes me unsure, whether it’s possible to sail overseas with deregistered boat. 

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Peter Mulville
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26th February 2024 - 3:18 pm
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If you are a British Citizen and live overseas you can still register your vessel. You just need to give a UK contact. I've just sorted mine using my Daughter as the contact.   

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David Hopkins
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29th February 2024 - 11:12 pm
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I'm a UK Citizen living in Switzerland (not EU) I'm part 1 registered as I think Peter must be. Part 3 is not available unless you live in the UK. My boat has EU Vat status as she was in Spain an B day. No one has ever asked for proof but I have a notarised letter from the Harbour Master in Valencia as my proof. 

The 180 days is not concerned with where the boat is registered, it's a tax issue. Deregistering a boat would have no effect. If your boat is EU goods it can be registered anywhere in the world and stay in the EU as long as you like. If it is not EU tax paid or exempt then registering it in Poland will have no effect. You need to prove VAT status to show it is legally imported into the EU. 

If anyone asks. 

I do need to show my registration document at every marina I enter here in Spain along with insurance. 

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Martin Cikanek
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1st March 2024 - 6:07 pm
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Am not UK citizen or resident, so SSR is not an option for me. Regarding Ship Register Part 1, how did you handle the tonnage certificate? Did you really have to hire a specialised company that came and measured your Twister? 

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David Hopkins
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1st March 2024 - 10:00 pm
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My boat was already part 1 but if it wasn't then yes I would have had to do that and had already planned for it when looking at a different boat. Part 1 is a well documented process but you have to do it properly with all the right documentation. 

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John Tetlow
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2nd March 2024 - 11:51 pm
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In case anyone hasn't seen a Tonnage Certificate before, this is Tammie Norie's

19670704-board_of_trade-tonnage_certificate-tammie_norie.pdf

It's nothing to do with her weight but is basically just an assessment of how much cargo could be crammed into her, minus the space occupied by the engine.

When I was thinking of re-registering her on the Irish Register, the surveyor I approached to survey her told me it was a very simple process involving taking a few internal measurements.

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